I started with a list of 23 marketing system vendors. A couple are fairly large but most are quite small. These were grouped into three categories: five demand generation vendors already in the Guide; four marketing automation vendors with significant demand generation market presence; and fourteen other demand generation vendors. (See http://www.raabguide.com/ for definitions of demand generation and marketing automation.)
My first thought was to look at their Web site traffic directly. The easiest way to do this is at Alexa.com, which tracks site visits of people who download its search toolbar. The number of users in this base is apparently a well-guarded secret, or at least well enough guarded that I would have had to look beyond the first Google search page for the answer. Alexa was originally classified by many experts as spyware, and is still somewhat controversial. But it was purchased by Amazon.com in 1999 and has since become more or less grudgingly accepted.
Be that as it may. I captured two statistics for each of my sites from Alexa: a ranking which basically reflects the number of pages viewed by unique visitors each month (the busiest site gets rank 1, next busiest gets rank 2, etc.); and a share figure that shows the percentage of total toolbar users who visit each site each month. (I think I have that correct; you can check the definitions at Alexa.com.) Ranking on either figure gives the same sequence (except for Pardot; I have no idea why). If you’re creating ratios or an index, the difference in the share figures is probably a better indicator of relative popularity, since a company with twice the share of another has twice as many visitors, but will not necessarily a rank number that is twice as low. (Lower rank means more traffic.)
Here are the ranks I came up with, broken into the three segments I mentioned earlier:
Alexa - 3 mo average | |||
Already in Guide: | rank | share | |
Eloqua | 20,234 | 0.0070700 | |
Silverpop | 29,080 | 0.0030500 | |
Marketo | 68,088 | 0.0017000 | |
Manticore Technology | 213,546 | 0.0006100 | |
Market2Lead | 235,244 | 0.0004800 | |
Vtrenz | 295,636 | 0.0003600 | |
Marketing Automation Vendors: | |||
Unica / Affinium* | 126,215 | 0.0008500 | |
Alterian | 345,543 | 0.0002500 | |
Aprimo | 416,446 | 0.0002200 | |
Neolane | 566,977 | 0.0001690 | |
Other Demand Generation: | |||
MarketBright | 167,306 | 0.0005400 | |
Pardot | 211,309 | 0.0003600 | |
Marqui * | 211,767 | 0.0004400 | |
ActiveConversion | 257,058 | 0.0003400 | |
Bulldog Solutions | 338,337 | 0.0003200 | |
OfficeAutoPilot | 509,868 | 0.0002000 | |
Lead Genesys | 557,199 | 0.0001450 | |
LoopFuse | 734,098 | 0.0001090 | |
PredictiveResponse | 2,313,880 | 0.0000330 | |
FirstWave Technologies | 2,872,765 | 0.0000170 | |
NurtureMyLeads | 4,157,304 | 0.0000140 | |
Customer Portfolios | 5,097,525 | 0.0000090 | |
Conversen* | 6,062,462 | 0.0000070 | |
FirstReef | 11,688,817 | 0.0000010 |
These rankings were more or less as I expected. Within the first group, Eloqua is definitely the largest vendor, while Marketo is probably the most aggressive marketer at the moment. Vtrenz is the second-largest demand generation company, based on number of clients and almost certainly on revenue. But it is a subsidiary of Silverpop, so its traffic is split between Vtrenz.com and visits to Silverpop.com. This means that the Vtrenz.com ranking understates the company’s position, whie Silverpop ranking includes traffic unrelated to demand generation. I’ve therefore tracked both here. Manticore and Market2Lead get much less attention than the other three, so it makes sense that they have much less traffic.
Figures for the next group also seem to be ranked about correctly. Unica is certainly the most prominent of this group, with Alterian, Aprimo and Neolane trailing quite far behind. I would have expected a bit more traffic for Neolane, but it is definitely the new kid on this block and only entered the U.S. market about one year ago. The real surprise here is that this group as a whole ranks so far below the big demand generation vendors, even though the marketing automation firms are in fact larger and probably do more promotion. Perhaps the marketing automation vendors appeal to a smaller number of potential users (primarily, marketers in large companies with direct customer contact, such as financial services, retail, travel and telecommunications) and generate less traffic as a result.
I didn’t have much sense of the relative positions of the other demand generation vendors, although I would have guessed that MarketBright and Pardot were near the top. Marqui has had little attention recently, perhaps because they’ve been through financial difficulties culminating in the purchase of their assets by a private investor group this past August. ActiveConversions I do know, only because I’ve spoken with them, and they rank about where I expected given their number of clients. The other names were somewhat familiar but the only one I’d ever spoken with was OfficeAutoPilot, which I knew to be small. Since I had no fully formed expectations, the rankings couldn’t surprise me.
In other words, the rankings provided by Alexa seemed generally reasonable given my knowledge of the companies concerned.
But Web traffic is just one measure. Where else could I look to confirm or challenge these impressions?
Well, there is another Web traffic site that is somewhat similar to Alexa, called Compete.com. I actually hadn’t heard of them before but they came up in my research. They apparently use their own toolbar but also some other Web traffic measures such as volumes reported by Internet Service Providers (ISPs). You’d expect them to pretty much match the Alexa figures. But do they? Here is a chart comparing the two, with the Alexa multiplied by 10 ^7 to make them more legible.
Compete.com | Alexa.com | |
unique visitors / month | share x 10^7 | |
Already in Guide: | ||
Eloqua | 560,288 | 70,700 |
Silverpop | 293,580 | 30,500 |
Marketo | 34,244 | 17,000 |
Manticore Technology | 15,789 | 6,100 |
Market2Lead | 10,689 | 4,800 |
Vtrenz | 5,313 | 3,600 |
Marketing Automation Vendors: | ||
Unica / Affinium* | 23,138 | 8,500 |
Alterian | 4,497 | 2,500 |
Aprimo | 5,131 | 2,200 |
Neolane | 3,927 | 1,690 |
Other Demand Generation: | ||
MarketBright | 13,993 | 5,400 |
Pardot | 7,339 | 3,600 |
Marqui * | 3,282 | 4,400 |
ActiveConversion | 1,503 | 3,400 |
Bulldog Solutions | 6,408 | 3,200 |
OfficeAutoPilot | 1,567 | 2,000 |
Lead Genesys | 2,630 | 1,450 |
LoopFuse | 1,930 | 1,090 |
PredictiveResponse | 1,099 | 330 |
FirstWave Technologies | - | 170 |
NurtureMyLeads | - | 140 |
Customer Portfolios | - | 90 |
Conversen* | - | 70 |
FirstReef | - | 10 |
You don’t need Sherlock Holmes to spot the problem: the Compete.com figures for Eloqua and Silverpop seem much too high compared with the others. I could concoct a theory that this reflects the difference between counting unique visitors in Compete.com and counting page views in Alexa, and throw in the fact that Eloqua and Silverpop/Vtrenz host landing pages for their clients. But the other demand generation vendors also host their clients’ pages, so this shouldn’t really matter. I suspect what really happens is that Compete measures low volumes differently from higher volumes (remember, they use a combination of techniques), and thus the figures for high-volume Eloqua and Silverpop are inconsistent with figures for the other, much lower-volume domains.
Anyway, if we throw away those two, the rest of the Compete figures seem more or less in line with the Alexa figures, apart from some small exceptions (Bulldog in particular ranks higher). All told, it doesn’t seem that Compete adds much value to what I already got from Alexis.
So much for Web traffic. How about search volume? Google Keywords will give that to me. Again, we’ll compare to Alexa as a reference:
Google Keywords | Alexa | |
avg search volume | share x 10^7 | |
Already in Guide: | ||
Eloqua | 1,900 | 70,700 |
Silverpop | 1,790 | 30,500 |
Marketo | 839 | 17,000 |
Manticore Technology | 113 | 6,100 |
Market2Lead | 318 | 4,800 |
Vtrenz | 752 | 3,600 |
Marketing Automation: | - | |
Unica / Affinium* | 6,600 | 8,500 |
Alterian | 861 | 2,500 |
Aprimo | 1,600 | 2,200 |
Neolane | 1,340 | 1,690 |
Other Demand Generation: | - | |
MarketBright | 186 | 5,400 |
Pardot | 210 | 3,600 |
Marqui * | 1,300 | 4,400 |
ActiveConversion | 46 | 3,400 |
Bulldog Solutions | 442 | 3,200 |
OfficeAutoPilot | 0 | 2,000 |
Lead Genesys | 74 | 1,450 |
LoopFuse | 260 | 1,090 |
PredictiveResponse | 36 | 330 |
FirstWave Technologies | 386 | 170 |
NurtureMyLeads | 0 | 140 |
Customer Portfolios | 0 | 90 |
Conversen* | 170 | 70 |
FirstReef | 12 | 10 |
If we limit ourselves to the first two groups, the search numbers look mostly plausible. The low figure for Manticore could have to do with checking specifically for “Manticore Technology”, since a looser “Manticore” would incorporate an unrelated company and references to the mythical beast. The high value for Unica probably reflects some unrelated uses of the word in other languages or as an acronym. I have no particular explanation for the relatively low value for Alterian or the substantial flattening of the range between Eloqua and its competitors. Perhaps Eloqua’s traffic is less search-driven than other vendors’. Or not. In any event, I think the implicit rankings here are about as plausible as the Alexa rankings.
But things get crazier in the Other Demand Generation vendor segment. I understand the Marqui number, which is high because Marqui can be a misspelling of other words (marquis, marque, marquee) and has some unrelated non-English meanings. Similarly, Conversen is a verb form in Spanish. I think that Bulldog Solutions, FirstWave and LoopFuse also gain some hits because of their component words, even though I tried to keep them out of the search results. The bottom line here is you have to throw away so many terms that the remaining rankings don’t signify much. So, in general, search keyword rankings need close consideration before you can accept them as a meaningful measure of importance.
How about Google hits? I’ll show them alongside the Google Keywords as well as Alexa rank.
Google hits | Google Keywords | Alexa | |
avg search volume | share x 10^7 | ||
Already in Guide: | |||
Eloqua | 118,000 | 1,900 | 70,700 |
Silverpop | 111,000 | 1,790 | 30,500 |
Marketo | 103,000 | 839 | 17,000 |
Manticore Technology | 9,620 | 113 | 6,100 |
Market2Lead | 25,900 | 318 | 4,800 |
Vtrenz | 35,200 | 752 | 3,600 |
Marketing Automation: | - | ||
Unica / Affinium* | 7,750 | 6,600 | 8,500 |
Alterian | 262,000 | 861 | 2,500 |
Aprimo | 161,000 | 1,600 | 2,200 |
Neolane | 40,200 | 1,340 | 1,690 |
Other Demand Generation: | - | ||
MarketBright | 34,500 | 186 | 5,400 |
Pardot | 27,600 | 210 | 3,600 |
Marqui * | 1,370,000 | 1,300 | 4,400 |
ActiveConversion | 16,800 | 46/p> | 3,400 |
Bulldog Solutions | 9,340 | 442 | 3,200 |
OfficeAutoPilot | 777 | 0 | 2,000 |
Lead Genesys | 5,880 | 74 | 1,450 |
LoopFuse | 95,400 | 260 | 1,090 |
PredictiveResponse | 21,800 | 36 | 330 |
FirstWave Technologies | 13,400 | 386 | 170 |
NurtureMyLeads | 1,050 | 0 | 140 |
Customer Portfolios | 12,200 | 0 | 90 |
Conversen* | 2,790 | 170 | 70 |
FirstReef | 18,100 | 12 | 10 |
Here the impact of limiting Manticore to “Manticore Technology” shows up even more clearly (although Manticore truly doesn’t get much Web attention). I limited the Unica test to “Unica Affinium” since the number of hits is otherwise over 100 million; but this seems to excessively depress the results. Note that the low ranking for Alterian has now been reversed; in fact, Alterian has the most hits of all, and the marketing automation group in general shows more activity than the demand generation vendors. That could be true – those vendors have been around longer. Or it could be a fluke.
Once again, the Other Demand Generation group has a big problem with Marqui and perhaps smaller problems with LoopFuse and FirstReef. Even excluding those, the numbers jump around a great deal. As with keywords, these figures don’t seem to be a reliable measure of anything.
Let’s try one more measure: the blogosphere. Here I tried three different services: Technorati, BlogPulse and Ice Rocket.
Technorati | Blogpulse | Ice Rocket | Alexa | |
blog posts | blog posts | all posts | share x 10^7 | |
Already in Guide: | ||||
Eloqua | 130 | 267 | 286 | 70,700 |
Silverpop | 70 | 119 | 188 | 30,500 |
Marketo | 3 | 179 | 229 | 17,000 |
Manticore Technology | 0 | 12 | 56 | 6,100 |
Market2Lead | 0 | 7 | 25 | 4,800 |
Vtrenz | 0 | 30 | 53 | 3,600 |
Marketing Automation: | - | |||
Unica / Affinium* | 0 | 6 | 43 | 8,500 |
Alterian | 8 | 119 | 145 | 2,500 |
Aprimo | 0 | 118 | 139 | 2,200 |
Neolane | 0 | 33 | 64 | 1,690 |
Other Demand Generation: | - | |||
MarketBright | 1 | 23 | 33 | 5,400 |
Pardot | 0 | 32 | 33 | 3,600 |
Marqui software* | 5 | 15 | 19 | 4,400 |
ActiveConversion | 0 | 6 | 12 | 3,400 |
Bulldog Solutions | 0 | 30 | 43 | 3,200 |
OfficeAutoPilot | 0 | 5 | 5 | 2,000 |
Lead Genesys | 0 | 1 | 5 | 1,450 |
LoopFuse | 4 | 48 | 43 | 1,090 |
PredictiveResponse | 0 | 0 | 0 | 330 |
FirstWave Technologies | 0 | 5 | 11 | 170 |
NurtureMyLeads | 0 | 1 | 5 | 140 |
Customer Portfolios | 0 | 0 | 3 | 90 |
Conversen* | 0 | 2 | 0 | 70 |
FirstReef | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10 |
Results for all three services are roughly consistent, although Technorati gets many fewer hits and Ice Rocket finds a few more than Blogpulse. The major anomaly is the low value for Unica, but that happens because I actually searched on Unica Affinium, to avoid all the irrelevant hits on Unica alone. Similarly, I searched on Marqui Software to avoid unrelated hits on Marqui. The high values for Bulldog Solutions and Loopfuse are valid (I scanned the actual hits); these two vendors just managed to snag a relatively high number of blog mentions. Remember we are looking at very small numbers here: it doesn’t take much to get 40 blog mentions. Nor, if we trust the Alexa, do they translate into much Web traffic. However, the blog hits might explain the relatively high keyword search counts for those two vendors.
Well, I hope you enjoyed the trip. This is far from an exhaustive analysis of the issue, but based on the information available, I’d say that Alexa Web traffic is the most useful measure for assessing the market presence of different demand generation vendors, and blog mentions have at least some value. Google hits and keyword searches capture too many unrelated items to be reliable.
7 comments:
Very interesting analysis. Thanks for taking the time.
You might also find http://website.grader.com to be a good metric to use as it blends a variety of factors into a weighted score.
Thanks Dharmesh. I ran a test report and liked website.grader quite a bit.
You can also measure traffic on Twitter with Tweet volume
Hey David,
Interesting obsession you've developed.. :)
All these traffic numbers are cool, but I'm not clear that they reflect anything that you might be looking for.
Is it market interest? Or number of clients?
Several things muck up your study. First, we get several times more traffic than you're reporting.. my guess is that's because we host landing pages on several subdomains that generate a lot of traffic which your tools aren't counting? Don't know. The same might be true for all the companies you've listed that host landing pages (which is only a few, I believe)
Also, raw traffic is much more a function of marketing spend than anything.. and is certainly not a proxy for number of clients. Marketo and Pardot, for example, publish their client counts and although we don't, I can promise that any disparity between theirs and ours is not reflected in any of the numbers you've got here.
Our sales primarily come from referrals through our partner program. While that doesn't generate a lot of traffic, it's certainly far more qualified and valuable than the traffic generated by a banner ad.
As an industry participant, I'd guess that you've nailed the top few players right.. also that Pardot is doing well. Beyond that though, my guess is that you've got your list pretty mixed up.
Instead of tooting our own horn, I'll point out that Bulldog Solutions (who's actually not a player in this industry.. they're more like an agency and they deploy Eloqua when marketing automation is called for) has gotten much more press and is far more 'talked about' than your list suggests.
Our own case shows that your blog research is way off.. you personally have written about us more times than your research has indicated as a total.
All in all, the conclusion I'd come to based on the research you've done is that it's real tough to figure out what's what based on very flawed tools like alexa etc.
For more on why Alexa is nearly useless:
http://www.e-consultancy.com/forum/101280-how-accurate-is-alexa-for-traffic-measurement.html
http://forums.seochat.com/alexa-ranking-49/how-accurate-is-alexa-4536.html
Am glad to see your interest in our market though!
Cheers,
Landon
Thanks Chad. I took a closer look at this and published a separate post on the topic.
Hi Landon,
Good to hear from you. I was looking for way to assess the presence of the vendors in the market, which basically boils down to the amount of attention they are receiving. Remember, the ultimate goal was to decide which vendors to add to the Guide, and I want to include the products that people are most interested in.
Customer counts are self-reported, which makes them inherently unreliable. More important, some customers are a lot bigger than others, so the customer counts don't correlate very well with revenue or market share. In any event, a measure of "market presence" should certainly include hot new vendors who are getting a lot of attention even if they don't have many clients yet.
I'm quite aware of the criticisms of Alexa. But as explained in the post, the Alexa figures came to closest to giving a plausible ranking. It's the "least worst" solution, nothing more.
Incidentally, I had another interesting suggestion to consider measuring the number of keyword ads targeting a given term, and the price that people are willing to pay for them.
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